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The FourBlock Podcast

Mar 2, 2020

When most people are asked to describe themselves, they typically respond with what they do for a living – but that doesn’t necessarily define the core of who you are as a person, or give you the strength you need to press forward in times of adversity. This week, FourBlock Founder Mike Abrams asks, how would you define yourself? Mike talks about how you can find your core identity from which to live your life every single day and to make better decisions in each role that you hold.

We encourage you to check out the video “Never Be Defined by What You Do” by Simon Sinek. This interview with Simon is part of an online career transition course created in partnership with Columbia University called Find Your Calling: Transition Principles for Returning Veterans


Welcome to the FourBlock Podcast, a show that examines veteran career transition and the military-civilian divide in the workplace.

General Charles Krulak coined the term "Three Block War" to describe the nature of 21st-century military service defined by peace-keeping, humanitarian aid, and full combat.

But what happens next? Veterans are often unprepared to return home and begin new careers. We call this the Fourth Block. 

FourBlock is a national non-profit that has supported thousands of transitioning service members across the nation in beginning new and meaningful careers. 

Mike Abrams (@fourblock) is an Afghanistan veteran, FourBlock founder, director of the Columbia University Center for Veteran Transition and Integration, and author of two military transition books. He’ll be representing the military transition perspective.

Lindsey Pollak (@lindsaypollak) is a career and workplace expert and New York Times bestselling author of three career advice books. Lindsey will be representing the civilian perspective of this issue. 

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