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The FourBlock Podcast

Mar 16, 2020

Military career paths are typically very well-defined. Service members usually know exactly what they need to do to get promoted to the next rank. This is often not the case in the civilian workforce. Career paths in the civilian world are much less defined, making it difficult for transitioning service members to chart a course forward and to think strategically about how to get to where they want to be in 10-20 years.

This week, FourBlock Founder Mike Abrams shares the advice he once received from a friend on how to think strategically about your civilian career and to make decisions based on your long-term earnings potential and progression.

We encourage you to check out the video, “Navigating Choice” by Dr. Sheena Iyengar and author of The Art of Choosing. This interview with Dr. Iyengar is part of an online career transition course created in partnership with Columbia University called Find Your Calling: Principles for Returning Veterans.


Welcome to the FourBlock Podcast, a show that examines veteran career transition and the military-civilian divide in the workplace.

General Charles Krulak coined the term "Three Block War" to describe the nature of 21st-century military service defined by peace-keeping, humanitarian aid, and full combat.

But what happens next? Veterans are often unprepared to return home and begin new careers. We call this the Fourth Block. 

FourBlock is a national non-profit that has supported thousands of transitioning service members across the nation in beginning new and meaningful careers. 

Mike Abrams (@fourblock) is an Afghanistan veteran, FourBlock founder, director of the Columbia University Center for Veteran Transition and Integration, and author of two military transition books. He’ll be representing the military transition perspective.

Lindsey Pollak (@lindsaypollak) is a career and workplace expert and New York Times bestselling author of three career advice books. Lindsey will be representing the civilian perspective of this issue. 

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