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The FourBlock Podcast

Jun 15, 2020

This week, we welcome Senior Vice President and Chief Human Resources Officer at Marsh & McLennan Companies, Laurie Ledford, who joins hosts Lindsey Pollak and Mike Abrams to provide insight into the decision-making process behind a global organization’s response to the global pandemic; discuss the future of work; share advice for veterans and civilian professionals alike who are seeking employment during this time; and discuss how Marsh & McLennan responded to the attacks on September 11, 2001, in NY City and the loss of more than 300 of their colleagues that day.

Marsh & McLennan Companies is the leading professional services firm in the areas of risk, strategy, and people. In this role, Laurie is responsible for the company’s overall human capital and talent strategy, and the delivery of human resource services to all of her colleagues worldwide.  Laurie, Lindsey, and Mike also discuss the story behind Marsh & McLennan being described as the secret service of the business community.



Welcome to the FourBlock Podcast, a show that examines veteran career transition and the military-civilian divide in the workplace.

General Charles Krulak coined the term "Three Block War" to describe the nature of 21st-century military service defined by peace-keeping, humanitarian aid, and full combat.

But what happens next? Veterans are often unprepared to return home and begin new careers. We call this the Fourth Block. 

FourBlock is a national non-profit that has supported thousands of transitioning service members across the nation in beginning new and meaningful careers. 

Mike Abrams (@fourblock) is an Afghanistan veteran, FourBlock founder, director of the Columbia University Center for Veteran Transition and Integration, and author of two military transition books. He’ll be representing the military transition perspective.

Lindsey Pollak (@lindsaypollak) is a career and workplace expert and New York Times bestselling author of three career advice books. Lindsey will be representing the civilian perspective of this issue. 

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