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The FourBlock Podcast

Jul 5, 2021

This week following July 4th, Mike shares a story of a prisoner of war during the Vietnam War. For those of you who listen to episodes of this podcast week after week, you know that we try to host guests and to tell true stories of people who have achieved excellence in their lives and careers, and who have also shown some incredible resilience in the face of great odds. This is one of those stories.

John McCain originally told this story on August 15, 1988. The full text is linked here on the Brookings Institute website.



Welcome to the FourBlock Podcast, a show that examines veteran career transition and the military-civilian divide in the workplace.

General Charles Krulak coined the term "Three Block War" to describe the nature of 21st-century military service defined by peace-keeping, humanitarian aid, and full combat.

But what happens next? Veterans are often unprepared to return home and begin new careers. We call this the Fourth Block. 

FourBlock is a national non-profit that has supported thousands of transitioning service members across the nation in beginning new and meaningful careers. 

Mike Abrams (@fourblock) is an Afghanistan veteran, founder of FourBlock, and author of two military transition books. He represents the military transition perspective.

Lindsey Pollak (@lindsaypollak) is a career and workplace expert and New York Times bestselling author of three career advice books. Lindsey represents the civilian perspective of this issue. 

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Podcast episodes are produced and edited by the Columbia University Center for Veteran Transition and Integration.